https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sat, 04 Apr 2026 09:13:09 +0000 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:48:56 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.04 360 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=23722 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23722&PID=593744&title=risks-with-more-than-1-implant#593744 Author: fionae
Subject: 23722
Posted: 21 January 2009 at 1:48pm

Thanks all have been through it all with specialist now.....all quite scary so gone off that idea in a big way!!!!!]]> Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:48:56 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23722&PID=593744&title=risks-with-more-than-1-implant#593744 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23722&PID=592439&title=risks-with-more-than-1-implant#592439 Author: ginger
Subject: 23722
Posted: 20 January 2009 at 10:01am

Lulu wrote: When we did a private IVF cycle we were also given the statistics on relationship failures after twins - it wasn't pretty!

We covered that as well at FA, and the specialist we spoke to there made the point that as well as trying to achieve a pregnancy, they have an ethical obligation to the future security of the embryo(s)/baby(ies) in the context of the family environment.]]> Tue, 20 Jan 2009 10:01:27 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23722&PID=592439&title=risks-with-more-than-1-implant#592439 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23722&PID=592403&title=risks-with-more-than-1-implant#592403 Author: tamrib
Subject: 23722
Posted: 20 January 2009 at 9:27am

Fiona, don't know if this will make you feel better about a SET, but I got pregnant from a single frozen embryo with my daughter when I was 37 and used my last frozen embryo and am now pregnant with identical twins at the age of 39. (my single embryo split!)

The pregnancy rates are just as good with SET as with multiple embryo transfer but without the increased risks of multiple pregnancy.

]]> Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:27:05 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23722&PID=592403&title=risks-with-more-than-1-implant#592403 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23722&PID=587311&title=risks-with-more-than-1-implant#587311 Author: Lulu
Subject: 23722
Posted: 14 January 2009 at 7:10pm

When we did a private IVF cycle we were also given the statistics on relationship failures after twins - it wasn't pretty!]]> Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:10:43 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23722&PID=587311&title=risks-with-more-than-1-implant#587311 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23722&PID=586562&title=risks-with-more-than-1-implant#586562 Author: fionae
Subject: 23722
Posted: 14 January 2009 at 7:44am

Thank you for all of that. Yes I read that as being the same. I am 37 and feel time is ticking....Sounds all a bit scary though and would be nice to get it out of the way at once!!!
Anyway thanks heaps will chat to specialist I guess about our options and what he reckons....]]> Wed, 14 Jan 2009 07:44:17 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23722&PID=586562&title=risks-with-more-than-1-implant#586562 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23722&PID=586501&title=risks-with-more-than-1-implant#586501 Author: tiptoes
Subject: 23722
Posted: 13 January 2009 at 10:44pm

So it doesn't sound like the risk is higher than conceiving naturally but there's lots of extra risks involved for both the mother and babies and it looks like it's a similar rate of success with one egg as it is with two eg 40% vs 47% (hopefully I'm reading that correctly).]]> Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:44:19 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23722&PID=586501&title=risks-with-more-than-1-implant#586501 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23722&PID=586499&title=risks-with-more-than-1-implant#586499 Author: tiptoes
Subject: 23722
Posted: 13 January 2009 at 10:42pm

Hi Fiona, here's the info on the fertility associates website that outlines the extra risks with twins. The table doesn't really copy and paste well so you might want to look on the website.

http://www.fertilityassociates.co.nz/services3.asp

What is so bad about twins? Having a twin pregnancy triples most risks associated with pregnancy – such as stillbirth, a serious brain haemorrhage, serious infection, respiratory distress and cerebral palsy. Overall about 20% of twin pregnancies have some problem compared to 6% of singleton pregnancies. Until recently, the problems associated with twins were considered a reasonable compromise for the increased chance becoming pregnant when two embryos were transferred.

The following table summarises a vast amount of information from medical and scientific studies about twins. The actual numbers can vary somewhat from study to study, but the table gives an average picture.

In the table, the figures for stillbirth and death soon after birth come from the register of Australian-New Zealand IVF pregnancies, but most of the other information is about twins in general.

Risk Singleton Pregnancy Twin Pregnancy Risk for Twins
To the mother       
Hospitalisation for ovarian hyper-stimulation syndrome (OHSS) in
an IVF pregnancy 4.6% of pregnancies 9% of pregnancies 2 times higher
Mother dying in childbirth 5 per 100,000 births 15 per 100,000 births 3 times higher
To the children       
Stillbirth or death soon after birth (neonatal and perinatal death) 2.8% of children 6.3% of children 2.5 times higher
Baby admitted to neonatal intensive care unit (NICU) after birth 15% of children 48% of children 3 times higher
A serious brain haemorrhage around birth     5 times higher
Serious infection     3 times higher
Respiratory distress     6 times higher
Cerebral palsy 0.23% of children 1.3% of children 5 times higher
Some handicap 2.5% of deliveries 7.4% of deliveries 3 times higher
Overall       
Estimate of any problem (death, abnormality, or some handicap) 6% of deliveries 20% of deliveries 3 times higher

Having twins also carries considerable costs for public hospital care, with the average hospital cost of birth and neonatal care in New Zealand being approximately six times higher for twins than a singleton birth.

Of course the large majority of twins are fine and many of the problems around birth are temporary or, if ongoing, not too severe. Nevertheless, a twin pregnancy carries significant extra risks that can be eliminated by SET.

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When we reviewed Fertility Associates’ results for the years 2000-2002, we found that 47% of women aged 25 to 35 had a delivery after the transfer of two good quality embryos, with over a third of the deliveries being twins. An alternative would be to transfer only one embryo (SET) and to freeze the ‘second’ good quality embryo, instead of transferring it fresh. If this was done, we calculated that the overall chance of delivery in this group of patients from the same two embryos would have been a very respectable 40%, but only 2% of deliveries would have been twins (due to identical twins).

Fertility Associates now very strongly recommends SET for women 35 and younger having their first or second IVF cycle, who have at least one good quality embryo on the third day after egg collection and this is a requirement for publicly funded treatment. We are pleased to report that the preliminary pregnancy rates from people choosing SET in 2004 is as high as we expected.

]]> Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:42:03 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23722&PID=586499&title=risks-with-more-than-1-implant#586499 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23722&PID=586197&title=risks-with-more-than-1-implant#586197 Author: fionae
Subject: 23722
Posted: 13 January 2009 at 7:18pm

Hi all,
I was wondering if anyone knows what the big deal is with having more than one embryo put in.       Why do the specialists are so against it?
Is it more risky than conceiving twins naturally?

I have been told that sometimes if you are paying private they will do it but the risks are huge and not worth it.

I have heard conflicting reports...

Thanks for any info anyone has

Fiona]]> Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:18:38 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23722&PID=586197&title=risks-with-more-than-1-implant#586197