https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Fri, 10 Apr 2026 15:21:13 +0000 Tue, 30 May 2006 12:33:47 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.04 360 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=2629 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49502&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49502 Author: nikkitheknitter
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Posted: 30 May 2006 at 12:33pm

Aw bugger Annie. Hate that, then you feel obligated to be nice to them!! hehe Hope it is a short bug and JJ is feeling better soon.

I might update the 'Climbing out of Bed' topic as part of my operation has been to get tough on that too. Sick of being a nice understanding mother.]]> Tue, 30 May 2006 12:33:47 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49502&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49502 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49471&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49471 Author: emeldee
Subject: 2629
Posted: 30 May 2006 at 10:25am

Poor poodle! I hope he is feeling better this morning.

Yep, after all of my know-it-all advice yesterday, Andrew was up and screaming through the night - but because he had his fourth meningitis immunisation shot yesterday. All better and happy in the world this morning - and he slept in to 9am.
]]> Tue, 30 May 2006 10:25:55 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49471&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49471 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49411&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49411 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 2629
Posted: 29 May 2006 at 10:39pm


Thanks, for I am the presidant of that group, and I need more... (the CEM's)

No chance tongiht, he has a wee tummy bug and has been spweing flat tack thanks to Janine, after my waterproof undersheet had to hit the washer, i tried her trick of nappies and old polar fleese blankies (and a towel.) yick, i hate sick.]]> Mon, 29 May 2006 22:39:16 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49411&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49411 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49365&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49365 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 2629
Posted: 29 May 2006 at 6:09pm

@ Annie (for your crack about my Operation!)

I'm going to implement an Operation (Take III or IV??? I can't remember now) again tonight. Unfortunately they are only a temporary measure until Hannah figures out she can weasel into my bed without me noticing. Anyway, you can take credit for inspiring me back into being a cruel emotionless mother ]]> Mon, 29 May 2006 18:09:01 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49365&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49365 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49313&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49313 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 2629
Posted: 29 May 2006 at 3:26pm

Thanks heaps guys! Last night was a little better. Woke up at 10pm, tand again at 3.30. then I woke him at 7.30. No probs getting him to sleep in his own bed, just to stay asleep!! Have ditched the safety sleep now, too, as he was standing up in the cot with it on anyhow... lil monkey.]]> Mon, 29 May 2006 15:26:16 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49313&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49313 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49259&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49259 Author: emeldee
Subject: 2629
Posted: 29 May 2006 at 12:20pm

Stick in there! You'll get there - and until the routine sticks, you can complain to us about it and we'll send you cyber hugs and support ]]> Mon, 29 May 2006 12:20:32 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49259&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49259 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49254&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49254 Author: daikini
Subject: 2629
Posted: 29 May 2006 at 12:12pm

Oh, and before I forget again ( preggy brain!) I was told by an infant sleep specialist that it takes 3 nights to make a routine, provided the child is otherwise well. Stick in there, it's not for forever!]]> Mon, 29 May 2006 12:12:49 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49254&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49254 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49250&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49250 Author: emeldee
Subject: 2629
Posted: 29 May 2006 at 12:03pm

Becca, you rock.
Sorry, another novel ahead....

Sleeping routines are reasonably easy to fix - but you have to put the hard yards in for a few nights to get there sometimes. We had a couple of rough nights when we came back from our Xmas holiday, however we stuck it out and all is well in sleepyland again.

We have a sleep routine so that Andrew knows that sleep is coming up (we also make sure he doesn't have juice or get too wound up in the hour before bed time). The routine starts with "Okay Andrew, time to get ready for bed time - let's get you into your pj's" (we do this close to the actual bed time so that he gets to know big sleep is coming). Then he has a bottle and cuddles (we're in the process of losing the bottle). And then he says goodnight to everyone else in the room - Dad, Big Brother etc, and we go to his room. - the sleep routine isn't such a huge thing at this age but we are setting ourselves up for when he is a little older.

In bed he gets tucked in and given Georgie Cow to cuddle. If he kicks his sheets off or stands up in the cot at this stage, I don't make a fuss - I figure it's easier to cover him up later when he's asleep anyway.

Now - if he starts crying, we wait five minutes before going back into the room. If we go in, we don't say anything, give him a little pat (in the cot) until he settles and then go out of the room again. If he starts crying again we wait for six or seven minutes and then repeat, extending the intervals of being away each time. (We haven't had to go in more than once anyway)

You can feel awful leaving your baby to cry - but remember - it's not hurting them, most kiddies need to learn how to put themselves to sleep and they won't grow up feeling neglected or unloved. There are more side effects involved in having sleep deprived parents and kiddies. Sleeping is better for your mental health than not sleeping.
Oh, and if you get a chance - read Nigel Latta's book 'Before your kids drive you crazy, read this!'. He's a NZ er and his book is both hilarious and wonderful with loads of tips on how to survive raising kiddies and end up with good ones. There is a link to an interview he did on CloseUp (TV1) in April too if you have broadband... http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/410965/703867]]> Mon, 29 May 2006 12:03:31 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49250&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49250 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49124&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49124 Author: daikini
Subject: 2629
Posted: 28 May 2006 at 8:21pm

WARNING: NOVEL AHEAD!!!

It may be tempting to pick your battles, and work on one part at a time (sleeping in his own bed, bedtime earlier, no bottle at night) but I found it easier to just go "this is how it is going to be" with Josiah at a similar age, after being away from home for 20 days over Christmas.

I was the main one doing it, but Nat supported me as much as he could. We would give him a bottle then tuck him down with a cuddle and a kiss. I would talk to him as I carried him down the hall, matching actions to words: "It's bed time, Josiah. Time to snuggle down in your bed. Here's Monkey. Mummy tuck you in. Here's a cuddle and a kiss. Mummy turn your music on. Nun-night, big boy." and I would turn out the light and leave the room. We leave the door open, and I had the hall light on so he could see but his room was dim. His music is a music maker from a mobile, and we wind it up and put it under the cot at the head.

I timed how long the music lasted for: 15 minutes. I would go in every 2 then 3 then 4 then 5 minutes and tuck him back down. Each time, I'd give him a cuddle and then put him back into bed. I wouldn't say anything. I would wind up the music, then leave the room. If he had stopped crying by the time the music stopped, I'd leave it another few minutes before sticking my head in the door and seeing if he was asleep.

If he woke in the night wanting a drink, I would give him cold water in a bottle. He didn't like getting water when he wanted nice warm milk, but if he was genuinely thirsty he'd drink some. I would then tuck him back down. I ended up sitting outside his room with a watch so I knew how long he'd been crying, but I'd go back in every 1 then 1.5 then 2 then 2.5 (etc) minutes (no longer than 5 minutes) and go and cuddle up to Nat when it was getting too hard.

It took about three hard nights, but he got the idea and has been fine since.]]> Sun, 28 May 2006 20:21:58 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49124&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49124 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49122&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49122 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 2629
Posted: 28 May 2006 at 8:20pm

So much for "Operation take back the control" eh, Nikki?....

Gave him phenargan in desperation last night, after putting him to bed firmly at 9.30 for the last time. He slept through till 6.20, I gave him a bottle, and back to sleep til 9.30. YAY!!!
So far tonight, he has been in bed, asleep, I hope, for an hour...(no phenargan tonight)
I swear, it's been like having a new born again, but with smellier nappies..]]> Sun, 28 May 2006 20:20:09 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49122&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49122 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49117&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49117 Author: james
Subject: 2629
Posted: 28 May 2006 at 8:12pm

james is beng a little poo right now as i type he wont go to sleep at night and if he dosehe wakes up 2 hours later so i no how u feel but we have a lot of people here at home now so i think thats his prob ]]> Sun, 28 May 2006 20:12:24 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49117&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49117 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49073&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49073 Author: Caterpillar
Subject: 2629
Posted: 28 May 2006 at 4:02pm

I can sympathise with the sleep deprivation, Liam has only just started sleeping thru the nite & he's 2 & 1/2! I tried everything from "control crying" to cutting out his daytime naps etc & nothing worked ,(not that I wanna scare u tho hehe) he's just a naturally bad sleeper & grew out of it wen the time was right. Hopefully your little darlings are just outa their routine & will get back on track soon. But Nikkis right, u gotta get a little tough so that sleeping with mummy doesnt become the new routine. Good luck ]]> Sun, 28 May 2006 16:02:27 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49073&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49073 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49065&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49065 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 2629
Posted: 28 May 2006 at 2:42pm

And that didn't mean to sound as harsh as it did... just meant to highlight how devious the little creatures are and that they can tell when we are being lenient. ]]> Sun, 28 May 2006 14:42:15 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49065&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49065 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49064&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49064 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 2629
Posted: 28 May 2006 at 2:41pm

Annie... he seems to be pushing you further and further away from routine (Hannah does the same thing until I realise) but at some point you just have to decide that enough is enough and resign yourself to a really sh*t 3 days and get tough again.

Then you finally get back into routine and they begin down the slippery slope again Gosh parenting is delightful isn't it?!?

At the moment Hannah has realised that if she gets out of bed and comes to my room then I will just let her sleep with me because I am too lazy to try and get her to stay in her own bed. At some point I'm going to have to get hard and deal with it but in the mean time it's mighty handy having her coming to me rather than having to go to her room ]]> Sun, 28 May 2006 14:41:19 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49064&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49064 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49015&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49015 Author: my2angels
Subject: 2629
Posted: 28 May 2006 at 8:08am

kobe has had these patches too, he wont go to sleep at home with out a bottle and if he ever wakes in the night (which thankfully is not often at all) I do give him a bottle but I think its more comfort than being hungry which is why Im not worried because he doesnt have a dummy or anything else to comfort him so I wouldnt worry about that and I bet once he settles he wont wake for a bottle. As for the going to sleep in his own bed the only thing I can think of is just repeatedly saying he needs to sleep in his own big bed and maybe if you can just let him cry for a wee while rather than going in. ]]> Sun, 28 May 2006 08:08:25 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49015&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49015 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49010&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49010 Author: meow
Subject: 2629
Posted: 27 May 2006 at 11:18pm

Hope you get some zzzzz soon!

Ella was a pretty good sleeper until she got her first tooth @ 10 months, since then she goes through stages of sleeping well then when she gets a new tooth she'll wake up for a few weeks ]]> Sat, 27 May 2006 23:18:14 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49010&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49010 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49007&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49007 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 2629
Posted: 27 May 2006 at 10:04pm

Thanks for that. We have been away for about 10 days. It was a situation beyond my control, and included being left for a few hours a couple of times with his aunt when it wasn't appropriate to take him with me. He weaned himself off me a couple of months ago, and usualy sleeps well at night, but has been waking the last month or so (I thought a growth spurt and teeth also were to blme there) this time it is DEFINATELY from being away. Am starting to feel slightly la la now!!]]> Sat, 27 May 2006 22:04:45 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49007&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49007 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49006&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49006 Author: meow
Subject: 2629
Posted: 27 May 2006 at 9:56pm

Have you been away from home for a few days? It usually throws Ella out of routine for a week, or more sometimes.. so we don't go away much lol.

Sorry I don't have any advice but we just went with the flow and things sorted themselves out after a week or so.. oh yeah and he's only 11 months, I was still breastfeeding then so I just fed her if she woke up, then a few months later I'd give her the bottle if she asked for it.. whatever works I figure.. don't worry too much unless he's a little monkey like mine and gets up in the night and won't go back to sleep for a few hours sometimes

Hope he starts sleeping better soon!]]> Sat, 27 May 2006 21:56:24 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49006&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49006 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49005&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49005 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 2629
Posted: 27 May 2006 at 9:41pm

oh yeah, I figured the clingy bubba/sleep with you mama bubba was because I was the constant in the "sea of change"...]]> Sat, 27 May 2006 21:41:35 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49005&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49005 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49004&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49004 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 2629
Posted: 27 May 2006 at 9:40pm

Ok, so it has been a fairly out of routine 10 days. As much as I have tried to keep sleeps etc to the same times. my little man decided that he would start waking a few times a night, and WONT go to sleep without a bottle (and to be fair, I have been giving in to him, just for some sleep as I knew it would be rough til thewhole funeral drama etc was over) Then about wednesday, the old I won't sleep in this bed can I sleep with you mama started, then by thursday it was I'm not going to bed until you do (all of this witht the waking still) and now, home 2 nights its the old up every hour crying etc. I know he is out of whack, so I have set the nightlight back up, so when he wakes, he can see he is in his own room, but any suggestions as to how to get him back on track with sleeping?

Signed,
Going crazy from sleep deprivation in Blenhiem]]> Sat, 27 May 2006 21:40:24 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2629&PID=49004&title=out-of-routine-and-going-nuts#49004