OHbaby! Forums : exclusively breasfeed baby dies https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sat, 04 Apr 2026 13:13:40 +0000 Fri, 06 May 2011 12:57:44 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.04 360 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=38681 <![CDATA[OHbaby! Forums]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ <![CDATA[exclusively breasfeed baby dies : I dont see what charging the parents...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1319797&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1319797 Author: SMoody
Subject: 38681
Posted: 06 May 2011 at 12:57pm

I dont see what charging the parents is gonna help anything. I dont think they wanted to lose their baby. No parent wants that. I think look at the reasons they were doing this. Were they misinformed? Yes definately.

Should they have listened to the Dr? Definately.

How many times have any of us not listened when Plunket, or a healthcare personnel told us to do something? I know I did countless times. From the one telling me I should stop breastfeeding as it is a waste, to having to always put baby on the side and not the back. to not co-sleeping or having to do the MMR right now or my child will die (were we wait until 2).

I feel very sorry for these parents. But perhaps if someone that understood their believes have taken it into consideration and worked with them instead of just pushing one idea onto them (which might have made them more resistant with it).

I dont think this is as black and white as we want it to be. Just think of their other child that might lose both parents to jail. Perhaps rather use them to do volunteer work on showing others the dangers and a happier medium between vegan diet WITH Supplements and letting your child chose later for themselves to be vegan or not.

]]> Fri, 06 May 2011 12:57:44 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1319797&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1319797 <![CDATA[exclusively breasfeed baby dies : So glad the parents were charged...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1312142&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1312142 Author: Kels
Subject: 38681
Posted: 25 April 2011 at 10:32am

So glad the parents were charged

]]> Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:32:28 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1312142&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1312142 <![CDATA[exclusively breasfeed baby dies : minik8e wrote:I don&#039;t...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1312141&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1312141 Author: Kels
Subject: 38681
Posted: 25 April 2011 at 10:31am

Originally posted by minik8e minik8e wrote:

I don't think it shows that extended exclusive BF is bad for the baby - but extended exclusive BF when you don't maintain the correct nutrition can be harmful, especially when combined with a lack of medical care (through the parents actions).
  Totally aggree

Extented EBF can be very harmful to babies and not just by all the third world deficiency diseases they can also suffer with growth and development issues. If the body doesnt have enough of anything to grow then the brain certainly cant grow leading to developmental delays.

]]> Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:31:58 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1312141&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1312141 <![CDATA[exclusively breasfeed baby dies : idiots!!!!!! ]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1312053&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1312053 Author: Shezamumof3
Subject: 38681
Posted: 24 April 2011 at 11:29pm

idiots!!!!!!]]> Sun, 24 Apr 2011 23:29:01 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1312053&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1312053 <![CDATA[exclusively breasfeed baby dies : T_Rex I&#039;m guessing your Mum...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1310412&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1310412 Author: caliandjack
Subject: 38681
Posted: 21 April 2011 at 7:18am

T_Rex I'm guessing your Mum wasn't on a strict vegan diet and would have taken you and your siblings to the Dr if you weren't well.

No harm in delaying solids if you are eating a nutritious balanced diet yourself with plenty of protein and good fats ie: from nuts, avocados etc ]]> Thu, 21 Apr 2011 07:18:12 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1310412&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1310412 <![CDATA[exclusively breasfeed baby dies : I don&#039;t think it shows that...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1310377&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1310377 Author: minik8e
Subject: 38681
Posted: 20 April 2011 at 11:12pm

I don't think it shows that extended exclusive BF is bad for the baby - but extended exclusive BF when you don't maintain the correct nutrition can be harmful, especially when combined with a lack of medical care (through the parents actions).]]> Wed, 20 Apr 2011 23:12:03 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1310377&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1310377 <![CDATA[exclusively breasfeed baby dies : bowie wrote:&#034;Everyone,...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1301247&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1301247 Author: Hopes
Subject: 38681
Posted: 06 April 2011 at 9:16pm

Originally posted by bowie bowie wrote:

"Everyone, however, knows the dangers of breastfeeding. Breastfeeding destroys lives. It starts by robbing women of their most powerful weapons of seduction, then their style and then their feminine mystery. Before you know it your baby is sleeping in your bed, and you are carrying her around like an African villager and avoiding so many proper French foods that you may as well be doing Ramadan. Lovemaking and une vraie vie de couple becomes impossible, sending husbands running into the arms of their mistresses or gay colleagues who they can be sure will never turn into brooding sucklers." (quoted from Athaelias link can't make the quote box work)

I lol'd, seriously.

ETA: this comment wins!

"Penises......not for urinating out of, but actually playthings for wives!"




HAHAHA. They were being sarcastic... right? Right??!

Poor kiddly. Sounds like a case of shocking parenting skills.]]> Wed, 06 Apr 2011 21:16:19 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1301247&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1301247 <![CDATA[exclusively breasfeed baby dies : After my sister&#039;s horrific...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1301205&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1301205 Author: T_Rex
Subject: 38681
Posted: 06 April 2011 at 8:53pm

After my sister's horrific food allergies, my mum exclusively BF her next 3 kids until around 11 months so they would be a bit more resiliant by the time solids were introduced in case they had similar reactions (only one of them did). But they were all in the upper percentiles for weight and certainly not undernourished. I don't think my mum did anything particularly special with her diet, but I guess we ate pretty healthy as a family.

So it can be done, but you'd certainly want to reconsider if the baby was getting sick and losing weight!]]> Wed, 06 Apr 2011 20:53:11 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1301205&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1301205 <![CDATA[exclusively breasfeed baby dies : I read recently that back in the...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1300963&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1300963 Author: JessDub
Subject: 38681
Posted: 06 April 2011 at 3:46pm

I read recently that back in the 1920s (I think), NZ Plunket didn't recommend introducing solids til 10 months. Large numbers of infants were found to have rickets and bone issues directly related to the lack of vitamins and nutrients in solids and Plunket changed its guidelines.

So not surprisingly, the baby in the article was ill but it was more than the 'exclusively breastfed' part that contributed to baby's death. ]]> Wed, 06 Apr 2011 15:46:24 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1300963&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1300963 <![CDATA[exclusively breasfeed baby dies : bowie wrote:&#034;Everyone,...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1300860&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1300860 Author: Nothing
Subject: 38681
Posted: 06 April 2011 at 2:00pm

Originally posted by bowie bowie wrote:

"Everyone, however, knows the dangers of breastfeeding. Breastfeeding destroys lives. It starts by robbing women of their most powerful weapons of seduction, then their style and then their feminine mystery. Before you know it your baby is sleeping in your bed, and you are carrying her around like an African villager and avoiding so many proper French foods that you may as well be doing Ramadan. Lovemaking and une vraie vie de couple becomes impossible, sending husbands running into the arms of their mistresses or gay colleagues who they can be sure will never turn into brooding sucklers." (quoted from Athaelias link can't make the quote box work)

I lol'd, seriously.

ETA: this comment wins!

"Penises......not for urinating out of, but actually playthings for wives!"




Lol i know its hilarious ay! I was cracking up laughing reading it. ]]> Wed, 06 Apr 2011 14:00:55 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1300860&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1300860 <![CDATA[exclusively breasfeed baby dies : Yes, breastfeeding causes previously...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1300854&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1300854 Author: mothermercury
Subject: 38681
Posted: 06 April 2011 at 1:52pm

Yes, breastfeeding causes previously straight men to become gay.

I hope it's just an elaborate troll, otherwise there are some seriously dopey people out there. ]]> Wed, 06 Apr 2011 13:52:51 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1300854&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1300854 <![CDATA[exclusively breasfeed baby dies : &#034;Everyone, however, knows...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1300814&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1300814 Author: Plushie
Subject: 38681
Posted: 06 April 2011 at 12:42pm

"Everyone, however, knows the dangers of breastfeeding. Breastfeeding destroys lives. It starts by robbing women of their most powerful weapons of seduction, then their style and then their feminine mystery. Before you know it your baby is sleeping in your bed, and you are carrying her around like an African villager and avoiding so many proper French foods that you may as well be doing Ramadan. Lovemaking and une vraie vie de couple becomes impossible, sending husbands running into the arms of their mistresses or gay colleagues who they can be sure will never turn into brooding sucklers." (quoted from Athaelias link can't make the quote box work)

I lol'd, seriously.

ETA: this comment wins!

"Penises......not for urinating out of, but actually playthings for wives!"




Edited by bowie]]> Wed, 06 Apr 2011 12:42:29 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1300814&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1300814 <![CDATA[exclusively breasfeed baby dies : bowie wrote: &#034;The couple...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1300796&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1300796 Author: mothermercury
Subject: 38681
Posted: 06 April 2011 at 11:58am

Originally posted by bowie bowie wrote:


"The couple did not follow the doctor's advice to take the baby to hospital when they went for her nine-month checkup and found she was suffering from bronchitis and was losing weight," he said. Instead they treated her with cabbage poultices, mustard and camphor and washed her with earth and clay instead of giving her baths, the court heard.

Wait, WHAAAAAT. This is the worst thing.

My child has bronchitis - I KNOW, I'm gonna rub dirt on her!

Very sad for that poor child. ]]> Wed, 06 Apr 2011 11:58:58 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1300796&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1300796 <![CDATA[exclusively breasfeed baby dies : I think this is a problem with...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1300795&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1300795 Author: _SMS_
Subject: 38681
Posted: 06 April 2011 at 11:58am

I think this is a problem with the parents not BFing.

It was quite common back in the days to offer nothing but breastmilk until that age. I guess so long as you have normal diet which most people do all would have been fine.

I always offered solids to DD from 6 months but she never really started eating until 8 months. She was bf only.]]> Wed, 06 Apr 2011 11:58:25 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1300795&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1300795 <![CDATA[exclusively breasfeed baby dies : It definitely can be done but...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1300773&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1300773 Author: High9
Subject: 38681
Posted: 06 April 2011 at 11:28am

It definitely can be done but you have to make sure you are eating correctly. My dd went on a month long food strike (solids) from 10-11mo and just had breastmilk that entire time and she still gained weight correctly (managed to continue staying 97th%ile weight and 90th%ile height). Your supply can drop and change so quickly without an important diet and for this couple I think it looks like a case of they were too focused on their lifestyle and what they thought was 'right'. So sad. And the weight should have been a give-away but some babies simply don't follow the charts at all! ]]> Wed, 06 Apr 2011 11:28:31 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1300773&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1300773 <![CDATA[exclusively breasfeed baby dies : Here ya go, I found the artice...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1300771&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1300771 Author: Nothing
Subject: 38681
Posted: 06 April 2011 at 11:25am

Here ya go, I found the artice I read. Read some of the stupid comments at the bottom. Link]]> Wed, 06 Apr 2011 11:25:57 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1300771&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1300771 <![CDATA[exclusively breasfeed baby dies : I don&#039;t doubt you probably...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1300723&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1300723 Author: Plushie
Subject: 38681
Posted: 06 April 2011 at 10:35am

I don't doubt you probably could exclusively BF a baby that age but you'd have to be so onto it with your own nutritian.

As for the french - i have several french friends and they all have really odd views on pregnancy/childbirth. One told me the OB recommended weight gain was 5 - 8kg for her pregnancy. She is already very very slim. Not saying all french are mad, of course, just the ones i know!]]> Wed, 06 Apr 2011 10:35:35 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1300723&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1300723 <![CDATA[exclusively breasfeed baby dies : Gosh you wonder how some people...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1300717&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1300717 Author: Nothing
Subject: 38681
Posted: 06 April 2011 at 10:30am

Gosh you wonder how some people are still functioning themselves without having to care for a child as well. In France they have the lowest BF rate of all OECD countries, it is very rare for mums to continue BF after leaving the hospital from giving birth! This will just be used to show that BF is "bad" for babies. *sigh.]]> Wed, 06 Apr 2011 10:30:12 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1300717&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1300717 <![CDATA[exclusively breasfeed baby dies : Very interesting and so sad!...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1300638&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1300638 Author: Jaune
Subject: 38681
Posted: 06 April 2011 at 8:52am

Very interesting and so sad!
Does bring up the importance of ensuring you have a good diet when BF - the only time when you truly are eating for two!!]]> Wed, 06 Apr 2011 08:52:58 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1300638&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1300638 <![CDATA[exclusively breasfeed baby dies : So the poor thing wasn&#039;t...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1300635&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1300635 Author: KH25
Subject: 38681
Posted: 06 April 2011 at 8:51am

So the poor thing wasn't eating any solids?? Just BM? Poor poor baby ]]> Wed, 06 Apr 2011 08:51:05 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1300635&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1300635 <![CDATA[exclusively breasfeed baby dies : Not posting to stir up fear towards...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1300622&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1300622 Author: Plushie
Subject: 38681
Posted: 06 April 2011 at 8:35am

Not posting to stir up fear towards extended exclusive breastfeeding or anything (i'm all for it) - i just was interested.

A little alarmed that their 11month old weighed the same as DS when he was 5 weeks and they didnt see that as a problem. ]]> Wed, 06 Apr 2011 08:35:47 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1300622&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1300622 <![CDATA[exclusively breasfeed baby dies : Two strict vegans have gone on...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1300620&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1300620 Author: Plushie
Subject: 38681
Posted: 06 April 2011 at 8:33am

Two strict vegans have gone on trial in France charged with "neglect or food deprivation" after the death of their breastfed 11-month-old daughter who was found to be suffering from vitamin deficiency.

Sergine and Joel Le Moaligou called an ambulance to their home in the village of Saint-Maulvis – 90 miles north of Paris – in March 2008 after their daughter Louise became listless. By the time paramedics arrived, the baby had died.

The police were alerted after the ambulance crew noticed the baby was pale and thin and a doctor refused to issue a death certificate. A postmortem showed the child, who had been fed only on her 37-year-old mother's milk, weighed 5.7kg when she should have been about 8kg.

She was also suffering from deficiency of vitamins A and B12, which may have left her susceptible to infection. She died of a pneumonia-related illness.

Medical experts told the court in Amiens that the vitamin deficiency could have been caused by an unbalanced diet. While anxious not to call into question the couple's lifestyle, Anne-Laure Sandretto, the deputy prosecutor, admitted: "The problem with a vitamin B12 deficiency could be linked to the mother's eating habits."

The parents, who also have a 13-year-old daughter who was not found to be suffering from any deficiencies, said they became vegan after seeing a TV programme about "how animals were taken to abattoirs", said the mother's lawyer, Stephane Daquo.

At the time of their daughter's death, they were running an organic food business and refused to eat any animal products. Daquo said they had a mistrust of traditional medicine and preferred to treat their children's complaints with advice from books.

"The couple did not follow the doctor's advice to take the baby to hospital when they went for her nine-month checkup and found she was suffering from bronchitis and was losing weight," he said. Instead they treated her with cabbage poultices, mustard and camphor and washed her with earth and clay instead of giving her baths, the court heard.

Daquo said the couple had been reading "the wrong things at the wrong moment". "They preferred to use recipes [treatment] based on clay or cabbage poultices that they got from their books," he said.

Patrick Quenel, lawyer for the father, whose business has gone into liquidation, said the couple were "completely aware of the mistakes they made".

They have been charged with "neglect or food deprivation followed by death" and face a maximum sentence of 30 years in prison if convicted. The hearing is expected to last until Friday.

[URL=Two strict vegans have gone on trial in France charged with "neglect or food deprivation" after the death of their breastfed 11-month-old daughter who was found to be suffering from vitamin deficiency.

Sergine and Joel Le Moaligou called an ambulance to their home in the village of Saint-Maulvis – 90 miles north of Paris – in March 2008 after their daughter Louise became listless. By the time paramedics arrived, the baby had died.

The police were alerted after the ambulance crew noticed the baby was pale and thin and a doctor refused to issue a death certificate. A postmortem showed the child, who had been fed only on her 37-year-old mother's milk, weighed 5.7kg when she should have been about 8kg.

She was also suffering from deficiency of vitamins A and B12, which may have left her susceptible to infection. She died of a pneumonia-related illness.

Medical experts told the court in Amiens that the vitamin deficiency could have been caused by an unbalanced diet. While anxious not to call into question the couple's lifestyle, Anne-Laure Sandretto, the deputy prosecutor, admitted: "The problem with a vitamin B12 deficiency could be linked to the mother's eating habits."

The parents, who also have a 13-year-old daughter who was not found to be suffering from any deficiencies, said they became vegan after seeing a TV programme about "how animals were taken to abattoirs", said the mother's lawyer, Stephane Daquo.

At the time of their daughter's death, they were running an organic food business and refused to eat any animal products. Daquo said they had a mistrust of traditional medicine and preferred to treat their children's complaints with advice from books.

"The couple did not follow the doctor's advice to take the baby to hospital when they went for her nine-month checkup and found she was suffering from bronchitis and was losing weight," he said. Instead they treated her with cabbage poultices, mustard and camphor and washed her with earth and clay instead of giving her baths, the court heard.

Daquo said the couple had been reading "the wrong things at the wrong moment". "They preferred to use recipes [treatment] based on clay or cabbage poultices that they got from their books," he said.

Patrick Quenel, lawyer for the father, whose business has gone into liquidation, said the couple were "completely aware of the mistakes they made".

They have been charged with "neglect or food deprivation followed by death" and face a maximum sentence of 30 years in prison if convicted. The hearing is expected to last until Friday.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/29/vegans-trial-death-baby-breast-milk



Edited by bowie]]> Wed, 06 Apr 2011 08:33:02 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38681&PID=1300620&title=exclusively-breasfeed-baby-dies#1300620