https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Mon, 06 Apr 2026 00:01:11 +0000 Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:39:58 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.04 360 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=5745 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111873&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111873 Author: AnnC
Subject: 5745
Posted: 21 February 2007 at 9:39am

reason for not at night is leakage - i don't fancy changing Rhyley's bed at night nor do i want him sleeping in a wet bed/clothes all night if it didn't wake him up. Even now with MCN he can get leakage at the thigh (only a little and nothing that bothers me) and thats after only having them on 3 hours max.]]> Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:39:58 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111873&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111873 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111610&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111610 Author: busymum
Subject: 5745
Posted: 20 February 2007 at 12:52pm

Toni_akl wrote: Before I was preggy with Caitlin I though cloth nappies were only the cotton flat origami folding type

I still thought that until after Briona's first birthday! ]]> Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:52:11 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111610&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111610 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111591&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111591 Author: jack_&_charli
Subject: 5745
Posted: 20 February 2007 at 12:07pm

thanks mazzy
i don't NEED anymore nappies, had enough and just been on a buying spree yesterday getting more! i noticed that drybees are having a sale and i like there colour choices so might get a couple and see what they are like.

emma.....i'm so jealous of your berry plush!!! they are gorgeous!!! ]]> Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:07:26 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111591&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111591 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111543&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111543 Author: Mazzy
Subject: 5745
Posted: 20 February 2007 at 9:33am

The drybee is pretty good, I find their sizing is a bit smaller than Fuzzibunz but still fits my girl fine (and she's not a small baby). I think the rise isn't as big? Still not sure if I understand what the rise is though - getting my head around all the terms!
DH really likes the drybee nap because of the velcro, he's not a snap fan. I also find the velcro is a nicer fit as sometimes DD seems to be between snaps on the fuzzis, too small on one snap and too big on the next one down. That is easily solved with more stuffing though. I've had no problems with leaks etc. with my drybee so will probably buy more if/when I need more nappies. ]]> Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:33:10 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111543&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111543 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111521&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111521 Author: Two Blondinis
Subject: 5745
Posted: 20 February 2007 at 8:42am

lol Mel!
Before I was preggy with Caitlin I though cloth nappies were only the cotton flat origami folding type ]]> Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:42:43 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111521&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111521 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111467&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111467 Author: jack_&_charli
Subject: 5745
Posted: 19 February 2007 at 11:21pm

i've just ordered charli an ecobubs wool pocket....was flicking through the threads at TNN and got convinced to buy one
mazzy...what do you think of your drybee nap?

i have both charli and jack in MCN fulltime and overnight i use a prefold, insert and hemp insert. probably a little overkill i think but i'd rather that than have leaks
jack has peapods for nights and charli has a mixture of peapods, FB's and wonderoos. ]]> Mon, 19 Feb 2007 23:21:18 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111467&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111467 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111367&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111367 Author: .Mel
Subject: 5745
Posted: 19 February 2007 at 5:31pm

OH thanks now I do feel like a right noodle!!! ]]> Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:31:53 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111367&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111367 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111362&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111362 Author: Two Blondinis
Subject: 5745
Posted: 19 February 2007 at 5:18pm

MCN = modern cloth nappies ]]> Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:18:56 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111362&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111362 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111349&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111349 Author: .Mel
Subject: 5745
Posted: 19 February 2007 at 4:22pm

Excuse my dumbness but what are MCN's? I've never heard of them or that or whatever it is

Edited by .Mel]]> Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:22:39 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111349&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111349 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111245&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111245 Author: Maya
Subject: 5745
Posted: 19 February 2007 at 10:16am

I second that! My whole MCN addiction started when I was looking for a cheaper alternative to Dry Nites for Maya at night, and found HH trainers. We've only had the very occsional leak, usually when she is particularly wriggly. And so I got brave enough to try the gremlins in MCN at night and so far not a single leak!]]> Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:16:42 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111245&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111245 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111242&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111242 Author: Mazzy
Subject: 5745
Posted: 19 February 2007 at 10:10am

I have 14 nappies for DD and find that I am washing every day but could probably get away with washing every second day if I needed to - would be pushing it on some days though! Most of those are medium Fuzzibunz (she is around 8.5kg), with a couple of yoyo nappies (bamboo fitted and a pocket), a drybees pocket and beyootiful ecobubs wool pocket, all medium sizes.
DD is on the second to smallest snaps on her FB. I am looking at getting some peapods too and considering experimenting with some AIO nappies... ]]> Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:10:08 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111242&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111242 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111237&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111237 Author: busymum
Subject: 5745
Posted: 19 February 2007 at 10:01am

We just had our first night for Krystiana in FB with no probs I used 2 inserts and a booster from 9.30pm to 8.30am (yep she only woke once in that time). Yay!

AnnC, I too started using FB for days only, partly because I only bought six and also from nervousness lol. When I finally mustered enough courage I put 3 liners in... then 2 and a booster... and now it's just 2 liners. And that's for Hannah and Briona. If we have been out for dinner/supper and they have been drinking lots I need a booster as well. But it's impressive how much they (MCNs) hold!]]> Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:01:15 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111237&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111237 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111228&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111228 Author: Two Blondinis
Subject: 5745
Posted: 19 February 2007 at 9:44am

Just a question - what's the reason for not using MCNs for night time? Have they been leaking? or not absortbent enough?

I've always used them at night from day one and now Caitlin sleeps 11+ hours straight, still no leaks (We're using petite FBs with one large insert and a small one as a booster)]]> Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:44:08 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111228&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111228 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111173&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111173 Author: AnnC
Subject: 5745
Posted: 18 February 2007 at 10:55pm

oh although I do not use them at night, just during day time..]]> Sun, 18 Feb 2007 22:55:43 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111173&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111173 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111172&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111172 Author: AnnC
Subject: 5745
Posted: 18 February 2007 at 10:55pm

um well not any leaks as yet here but will see as will be using them more as I have more to use now... still loving them...]]> Sun, 18 Feb 2007 22:55:19 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111172&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111172 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111165&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111165 Author: Maya
Subject: 5745
Posted: 18 February 2007 at 10:23pm

aimeejoy wrote: The berryplush AIOs look gorgeous - have been eyeing them up for a while!

I know! Blimmin expensive, but soooo gorgeous... I can't wait for them to arrive! And I love the Snazzipants ladies

Ann - my Peapods have been in regular rotation for about 3 weeks now but they still leak if I just use the hemp. They work brilliantly with a booster tho ]]> Sun, 18 Feb 2007 22:23:05 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111165&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111165 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111146&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111146 Author: AnnC
Subject: 5745
Posted: 18 February 2007 at 9:54pm

i hv now 8 mcn nappies mainly peapods and loving them. got told by the nz supplier - my mum is goin to hopefully stock them in their store - that the peapods need to be washed 4 times before they reach max absorbanty.]]> Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:54:58 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111146&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111146 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111142&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111142 Author: busymum
Subject: 5745
Posted: 18 February 2007 at 9:45pm

Hey Kellz, is Isla in medium or small FB?]]> Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:45:42 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111142&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111142 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111131&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111131 Author: aimeejoy
Subject: 5745
Posted: 18 February 2007 at 9:19pm

The berryplush AIOs look gorgeous - have been eyeing them up for a while! ]]> Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:19:30 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111131&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111131 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111127&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111127 Author: Leish
Subject: 5745
Posted: 18 February 2007 at 9:00pm

Would be keen to hear how you get on with those too.]]> Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:00:26 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111127&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111127 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111126&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111126 Author: Leish
Subject: 5745
Posted: 18 February 2007 at 9:00pm

OOhhh Emma - those are very cute!!]]> Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:00:08 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111126&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111126 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111124&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111124 Author: Maya
Subject: 5745
Posted: 18 February 2007 at 8:53pm

Who me? Couldn't be... ]]> Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:53:45 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111124&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111124 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111122&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111122 Author: Kellz
Subject: 5745
Posted: 18 February 2007 at 8:50pm

Gee Emma you have a serious addiction happening!! ]]> Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:50:41 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111122&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111122 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111111&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111111 Author: Maya
Subject: 5745
Posted: 18 February 2007 at 8:07pm

Oooh, and I just ordered the gremlins a pink Berry Plush all in one each from Snazzipants... they look so cuddly!]]> Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:07:07 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111111&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111111 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111110&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111110 Author: Maya
Subject: 5745
Posted: 18 February 2007 at 8:06pm

I love my Peapods now. They were a bit leaky to start with, and I tried them again today without the booster and they leaked, but with an insert and a booster they seem to be pretty failproof and are really trim.]]> Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:06:20 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111110&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111110 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111101&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111101 Author: jakspak
Subject: 5745
Posted: 18 February 2007 at 7:43pm

ive just got peapods as they are easier for me to get and good price i only have two but wow i love them and am excited about getting the rest i was a bit worried about night time to oh the thought of changing the bed if leaked but i sucked it up and went for it i just had one insert and a booster and so far touch wood we are great. im washing them every day at the mo as i only have two so want to use them at night and during the day im thinking of getting at least 6-8 of them and nappy linners flushable ones lol learnt that leason the hard way. my baby girl if you can call her that is 20mths old and i have her in medium but she is so tiny maybe 9kg maybe 10kg by now so may last till toliet training if all goes well and i may not need the bigger size. realy dont know what i was thinking all this time not having them wish they were easier to get and around when i had my son 5 years ago oh well better late then never i say.]]> Sun, 18 Feb 2007 19:43:13 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=111101&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#111101 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=110816&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#110816 Author: busymum
Subject: 5745
Posted: 16 February 2007 at 9:08pm

Kellz wrote: We use 2 inserts and a booster and that lasts fine for 12 hours.

Thanks Kellz, I've been meaning to ask that (of everyone) for ages!]]> Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:08:03 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=110816&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#110816 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=110705&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#110705 Author: AnnC
Subject: 5745
Posted: 16 February 2007 at 3:33pm

Thanks guys i have got (or at least will have when others arrive) 6 MCN. so might get a couple more of sz sml.
I don't think i am brave engh to use mcn over night lol... but never say never ]]> Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:33:21 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=110705&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#110705 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=110669&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#110669 Author: Kellz
Subject: 5745
Posted: 16 February 2007 at 2:12pm

Yep we have definaltly had much better sucess with our Fuzzi's at night than we did with disposables. We use 2 inserts and a booster and that lasts fine for 12 hours. We are safe in the knowlegde her bum will stay dry ]]> Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:12:17 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=110669&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#110669 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=110645&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#110645 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 5745
Posted: 16 February 2007 at 1:39pm

Oh yeah, and when it came down to it - I had more success overnight with MCN than I did with sposies. When Han leaked through MCN I changed absorbancy... when Han leaked through sposies I couldn't do anything to change them!]]> Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:39:31 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=110645&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#110645 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=110644&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#110644 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 5745
Posted: 16 February 2007 at 1:38pm

Hrmmmm... how many do you neeeeeed... hrmmmm... depends how addicted you get really! I'd say 8-ish if you are going to wash every day - but that might be pushing it. 12 if you want to do it comfortably. More if you want to wash less. (I like washing every day though as I don't like them sitting around in the dry pail)

And I'd say go for size small peapods.]]> Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:38:17 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=110644&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#110644 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=110627&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#110627 Author: Maya
Subject: 5745
Posted: 16 February 2007 at 12:54pm

I deliberately didn't answer the "how many do you need" question cos the answer is "far less than I have" ]]> Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:54:21 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=110627&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#110627 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=110610&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#110610 Author: Bizzy
Subject: 5745
Posted: 16 February 2007 at 12:26pm

i think gabriel was in med fuzzis till 2 at least, i then went to petites for him cause it was just the rise that was too small.

I also had toby in a size 1 snazzi for ages too, and some mothers have had them in size 1 till 2 ...

it all depends on the size and shape of your bub as to how long they will fit.

and how many depends on how often you want to wash. 6-8 should prob be sufficient if you arent using them full time.]]> Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:26:54 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=110610&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#110610 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=110598&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#110598 Author: busymum
Subject: 5745
Posted: 16 February 2007 at 12:08pm

Slightly OT... Briona is just growing out of medium FB now, she needs the extra height.]]> Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:08:08 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=110598&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#110598 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=110566&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#110566 Author: Maya
Subject: 5745
Posted: 16 February 2007 at 10:51am

I've got the (just under) 7kg gremlins in small Peapods on the tightest snaps and medium Fuzzis on the tightest snaps, although the Fuzzis are a little on the big side so I have to stuff them with prefolds so they don't gape so much.

I think my two will be in the small Peapods well after 9kg,and I would say the medium Fuzzi's will probably do us for a good 12 mths at least.]]> Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:51:05 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=110566&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#110566 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=110564&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#110564 Author: aimeejoy
Subject: 5745
Posted: 16 February 2007 at 10:40am

lol I was wondering what pk stood for!!

How many - how many disposables are you going through a day at the moment? I managed with 6 once Hannah was a few months old. We went through 4-6 a day and I washed every night so they were dry and ready to go the next day. If you are using fitteds you may need a few more if you dont have a dryer, cos they take a lot longer to dry than pockets.

Mediums - Hannah has only really used Fuzzi Bunz. She went into mediums when she was 2 months and around 6kg. She fitted these until about 11 months (chubby thighs!). Apparently peadpods are quite big sizing, but Nikki should be able to help you more there.

Also, Hannah was sleeping 12 hours overnight at this stage too and she was in full time cloth - never had any major leaks and never had to change wet sheets. Be brave!

Edited by aimeejoy]]> Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:40:15 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=110564&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#110564 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=110560&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#110560 Author: AnnC
Subject: 5745
Posted: 16 February 2007 at 10:21am

whoops typo mistake 'pk' = 'ok']]> Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:21:03 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=110560&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#110560 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=110558&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#110558 Author: AnnC
Subject: 5745
Posted: 16 February 2007 at 10:19am

I am beginning to use MCN mainly when i am home - will still use disposiables for going out and night time (as Rhyley sleeps thru)

What I want to know is:

How many do I need? I am using mainly peapods and have a few snazzipants. I have 4 at present but have ordered another 2. This is in the small size as I did get a Med (peapods here) and the gap at the leg is a bit big at present. He is approx 7kgs (will know for sure next week) It says peapods do till 9 months but only up to 9kgs. I suppose I should check when my other two were 9kgs to see when i have to go to the medium...

so if confused with my rambling 2 questions:

how many do I need?

When did your children go to the medium size?]]> Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:19:12 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5745&PID=110558&title=pk-you-mcn-experts#110558