OHbaby! Forums : Cloth nappies bad for environment..?! https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sat, 04 Apr 2026 07:14:47 +0000 Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:05:19 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.04 360 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=8787 <![CDATA[OHbaby! Forums]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ <![CDATA[Cloth nappies bad for environment..?! : hmmmm, I take this &#039;research&#039;...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=185725&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#185725 Author: marielb
Subject: 8787
Posted: 24 July 2007 at 8:05pm

hmmmm, I take this 'research' with a grain of salt!
I feel like I am doing my bit for the environment by using cloth nappies :) ]]> Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:05:19 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=185725&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#185725 <![CDATA[Cloth nappies bad for environment..?! : The study is full of flaws. They...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=183023&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#183023 Author: jaz
Subject: 8787
Posted: 19 July 2007 at 2:27pm

The study is full of flaws. They assume you are washing the nappies in 90 degree water and ironing them??? Interesting when you read the posts, nobody talks about MCN's. I posted a rant on their site. ]]> Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:27:44 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=183023&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#183023 <![CDATA[Cloth nappies bad for environment..?! : Rebuttal ]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=178447&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#178447 Author: Paws
Subject: 8787
Posted: 12 July 2007 at 3:36pm

Rebuttal]]> Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:36:07 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=178447&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#178447 <![CDATA[Cloth nappies bad for environment..?! : I&#039;d have to have an awfully...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=178295&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#178295 Author: littlejo
Subject: 8787
Posted: 12 July 2007 at 12:32pm

I'd have to have an awfully large compost bin to deal with 30-odd nappies a week! And even worse for those with more than one bubba in nappies!

]]> Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:32:36 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=178295&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#178295 <![CDATA[Cloth nappies bad for environment..?! : Hopefully, but unlikely! ]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=177518&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#177518 Author: aimeejoy
Subject: 8787
Posted: 11 July 2007 at 7:40pm

Hopefully, but unlikely! ]]> Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:40:22 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=177518&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#177518 <![CDATA[Cloth nappies bad for environment..?! : ]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=177514&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#177514 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 8787
Posted: 11 July 2007 at 7:37pm

]]> Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:37:45 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=177514&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#177514 <![CDATA[Cloth nappies bad for environment..?! : aimeejoy wrote:Its not just...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=177339&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#177339 Author: Bizzy
Subject: 8787
Posted: 11 July 2007 at 3:37pm

Originally posted by aimeejoy aimeejoy wrote:

Its not just the chemicals and plastic that gross me out thinking about composting them - what about all the poo?


hopefully it would have been flushed like it was supposed to be.!!!]]> Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:37:41 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=177339&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#177339 <![CDATA[Cloth nappies bad for environment..?! : Its not just the chemicals and...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=177114&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#177114 Author: aimeejoy
Subject: 8787
Posted: 11 July 2007 at 1:47pm

Its not just the chemicals and plastic that gross me out thinking about composting them - what about all the poo?]]> Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:47:59 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=177114&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#177114 <![CDATA[Cloth nappies bad for environment..?! : i dont know about composting disposables....]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=176994&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#176994 Author: Bizzy
Subject: 8787
Posted: 11 July 2007 at 11:13am

i dont know about composting disposables. like i said in konagirls thread - if i didnt want those chemicals next to my bubs bum why would i want them in my garden.? and how do you compost plastic?]]> Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:13:38 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=176994&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#176994 <![CDATA[Cloth nappies bad for environment..?! : lizzle wrote:the environment...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=176953&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#176953 Author: Kels
Subject: 8787
Posted: 11 July 2007 at 10:37am

Originally posted by lizzle lizzle wrote:

the environment be dammed! they are much better for my wallet! studies have been confirmed

Comfirmed here too Lizzle

]]> Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:37:51 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=176953&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#176953 <![CDATA[Cloth nappies bad for environment..?! : More to the &#034;study&#034;...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=176893&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#176893 Author: Beanz
Subject: 8787
Posted: 11 July 2007 at 9:21am

More to the "study" by British researchers

Just found this on the stuff website - just adds another writers view on the subject but IMHO - It is along the same lines as the original article that was submitted. Do people not have better things to do with their time?! - I must admit tho the couple they talk about "composting" nappies might be onto something...

]]> Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:21:21 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=176893&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#176893 <![CDATA[Cloth nappies bad for environment..?! : Yep, that study definitely didn&#039;t...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=172766&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#172766 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 8787
Posted: 04 July 2007 at 6:35pm

Yep, that study definitely didn't take into account the manufacturing of the disposables.

And the rest of it is off set by washing with cold water... using eco-friendly powders... line drying... not soaking with nappisan etc.

My Dad's next door neighbour is a rep for a disposable nappy company and tried to pull that crap on me when he came over to visit when my dad had just moved in. I was fuming!!!

(But yeah, I'm also with Liz, better for the wallet!)

Edited by nikkiwhyte]]> Wed, 04 Jul 2007 18:35:51 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=172766&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#172766 <![CDATA[Cloth nappies bad for environment..?! : I second on being better for the...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=172555&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#172555 Author: Bumble
Subject: 8787
Posted: 04 July 2007 at 1:11pm

I second on being better for the wallet!!! nd we only have two that we use at night!

Agree with gandt: The study will always be skewed to get the desired outcome....]]> Wed, 04 Jul 2007 13:11:08 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=172555&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#172555 <![CDATA[Cloth nappies bad for environment..?! : the environment be dammed! they...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=172554&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#172554 Author: lizzle
Subject: 8787
Posted: 04 July 2007 at 1:03pm

the environment be dammed! they are much better for my wallet! studies have been confirmed]]> Wed, 04 Jul 2007 13:03:10 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=172554&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#172554 <![CDATA[Cloth nappies bad for environment..?! : Yep I agree gandt - and it&#039;s...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=172538&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#172538 Author: Lulu
Subject: 8787
Posted: 04 July 2007 at 12:35pm

Yep I agree gandt - and it's the same for those who want to believe that cloth nappies are better for the environment I guess. Who knows what the truth is???]]> Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:35:03 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=172538&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#172538 <![CDATA[Cloth nappies bad for environment..?! : as with any &#034;study&#034;...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=172520&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#172520 Author: Bizzy
Subject: 8787
Posted: 04 July 2007 at 11:58am

as with any "study" the results will always be made to fit the desired outcome...]]> Wed, 04 Jul 2007 11:58:38 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=172520&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#172520 <![CDATA[Cloth nappies bad for environment..?! : Also, I don&#039;t really do any...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=172516&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#172516 Author: caraMel
Subject: 8787
Posted: 04 July 2007 at 11:46am

Also, I don't really do any extra washing with my clothies.
Since I started using them 7 months ago I've been able to chuck the 4-5 nappies into the daily load I was going to do anyway.
I suppose there is a minimal amount of 'extra' water used for rinsing them but I can't imagine that would impact the environment as much as 4-5 stinking nappies added to landfill?]]> Wed, 04 Jul 2007 11:46:55 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=172516&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#172516 <![CDATA[Cloth nappies bad for environment..?! : yeah - what paws said... ]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=172512&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#172512 Author: Bizzy
Subject: 8787
Posted: 04 July 2007 at 11:36am

yeah - what paws said...]]> Wed, 04 Jul 2007 11:36:16 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=172512&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#172512 <![CDATA[Cloth nappies bad for environment..?! : A similar study has already been...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=172498&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#172498 Author: Paws
Subject: 8787
Posted: 04 July 2007 at 11:14am

A similar study has already been dismissed in the UK as being incorrect.

They talk about the environmental cost of washing old style cloth nappies but they have not talked about the environmental cost of manufacturing disposables which uses up tons and tons of water.

Heck the orginal report was a joke, it even took into account the environmental impact of ironing the cloth nappies. WTF?????

It's a bollocks argument that has been tried and failed already. I'm surprised that they are trying again.


Edited by Paws]]> Wed, 04 Jul 2007 11:14:26 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=172498&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#172498 <![CDATA[Cloth nappies bad for environment..?! : I&#039;m not convinced The...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=172454&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#172454 Author: arohanui
Subject: 8787
Posted: 04 July 2007 at 10:12am

I'm not convinced


The great real nappy myth - they are just as bad for the environment as disposables, admits Minister

For years it was drilled into parents that disposable nappies were environmentally unsound.

They could show their green credentials, they were told, by jumping back a generation or two and using the washable towelling version.

Those who didn't were made to feel they were putting convenience before the future of the planet.

But after a three-year campaign that has cost taxpayers at least £30million, it has been decided that the two types have the same impact on the environment.

As a result, ministers at the Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs have quietly dropped the lavishly-financed Real Nappy Campaign.

The decision follows a four-year research project which found that the impact of burying disposable nappies in landfill sites was matched by the energy consumed and greenhouse gases generated by washing reusables or transporting them to laundries.

Former waste minister Ben Bradshaw confirmed the end of the nappy campaign in a Commons answer delivered last week.

It went unnoticed in the midst of the new Prime Minister's reshuffle, which saw Mr Bradshaw move to the Health Department.

Mr Bradshaw said: "Reusable nappies may reduce demands on landfill but they still impact on the environment in other ways, such as the water and energy used in washing and drying them."

The Environment Agency report, he said, "concluded that there was no significant difference between any of the environmental impacts of the disposable, home use reusable and commercial laundry systems that were assessed".

He added: "None of the systems studied were more or less environmentally preferable."

The admission brought accusations from opposition MPs and pressure groups that huge sums of money are being wasted under the pretence of improving the environment.

Conservative MP Sir Paul Beresford, a former local government minister who is now part of a Commons Communities Select Committee inquiry into household waste, said: "This seems to have been put out without anybody noticing.

"The main success of the Real Nappy Campaign seems to have been to give those of us who are mildly politically incorrect a tremendous horse-laugh."

Corin Taylor, of the Taxpayers' Alliance, said: "This farcical waste of taxpayers' money shows how politicians are unable to run anything properly.

"It will only stop when politicians realise that they should never try to manage every aspect of our lives in the first place.

"Unfortunately, the green agenda means that we will see many more examples of this sort of madness."

Most of the spending on "real nappies" has been directed through a quango linked to the Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs called the Waste and Resources Action Programme.

The nappy campaign formed a major part of WRAP's "waste minimisation" programme, which has soaked up more than £82million over the past three years.

WRAP said that the nappy campaign had cost £2.3million over the three years.

However, this figure appears not to include grants of around £100,000 a time paid by the Treasury to local councils to encourage their own real nappy promotions.

Other published figures show that, in WRAP's own terms, the campaign was a failure.

The organisation aimed to save 35,000 tons of landfill every year by persuading mothers to use and wash towel nappies. In fact, it has saved less than 8,000 tons of landfill a year.

This amounts to less than a twentieth of one per cent of household rubbish sent to landfill each year.

A spokesman for WRAP said: "We do want to cut waste going to landfill. The campaign raised awareness and has helped people to find their own solutions."

Mr Bradshaw delivered a speech to WRAP workers last year in which he said the Environment Agency had found no "strong argument in favour of reusable nappies' and that this was 'anathema to real nappy fans".

He said that in future it might be possible to get rid of nappies by leaving them in garden compost bins.

It is estimated that at least three billion disposable nappies are thrown away every year in the UK, creating a waste mountain which is costing local authorities more than £40million a year to treat. ]]> Wed, 04 Jul 2007 10:12:13 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8787&PID=172454&title=cloth-nappies-bad-for-environment#172454